Labour voters drift to the BNPThe growth of support for the British National Party is extremely disturbing. Margaret Hodge, the Minister of State for Employment, told this newspaper that eight out of ten white voters she canvassed in Barking and Dagenham admitted that they were considering voting for the BNP in the May local elections. It is a trend that has been noticed in several other working-class areas of Britain - and for which New Labour must take responsibility.
Nick Griffin, the BNP's Cambridge-educated leader, is no longer seen surrounded by a phalanx of tattooed thugs: he makes sure he is photographed in the company of smiling, unthreatening women. Griffin carefully crafts his message so that it sounds reasonable rather than racist. He has learned from the techniques of mendacious and misleading presentation that New Labour so effectively pioneered. Read the article here: Labour is to blame for the drift to the BNP
Also from The Telegraph: White voters are deserting us for BNP, says Blair ally
Leader of the BNP, Cambridge-educated Nick Griffin
Voting for the BNP is about rage rather than race
Mark
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Maybe the public is finally waking up from 30 years of political correctness and persistent dhimmitude by their leaders.
John:
Maybe the public is finally waking up from 30 years of political correctness and persistent dhimmitude by their leaders.
Yes indeed! The rude awakening has been pretty slow in coming; but it does seem as though something is going on, doesn't it?
But these reactions are rather demonstrated well with Newton's cradle: Every action has the equal and opposite reaction.
The clash is coming, I fear. And why? Because successive politicians haven't been mindful of the store.
Personally, I am no BNP sympathizer, but maybe it will take a fright for the establishment such as this one to make the mainstream parties behave more responsibly, and more in accord with the wishes of Mr & Mrs Average.
From that last link:
White working-class families feel so neglected by the Government and angered by immigration that they are deserting Labour and flocking to the British National Party, a minister admitted yesterday.
I see the same frustration among U.S. citizens as well. Cries of "We need a third party!" are starting to appear.
Leaders? You call them leaders? Pissing puppies on a leash is more like it. Sorry, but someone has to say it.
A lot of people had to die to rid the world of the Nazi taint. It is not my wish to see the world go that way again. Best to stand up for civilisation against the invaders--from a standpoint of hard won liberal western enlightenment ideals. Not from a return to fascism.
Always:
I see the same frustration among U.S. citizens as well. Cries of "We need a third party!" are starting to appear.
We have a few more parties than the two main ones. But they're all PC. Any party that is PC is not going to be able to deal with the threat of Islam. That's the worry.
Al Fin:
Leaders? You call them leaders? Pissing puppies on a leash is more like it. Sorry, but someone has to say it.
Thanks for saying it! I agree that someone had to have the courage.
A lot of people had to die to rid the world of the Nazi taint. It is not my wish to see the world go that way again.
Exactly!
Best to stand up for civilisation against the invaders--from a standpoint of hard won liberal western enlightenment ideals. Not from a return to fascism.
Yes, this would be best. But do you know something?: I doubt that Western-style democracy and liberal ideals are going to be strong enough to stand up to the might of Islam. People today aren't cut from the same bolt of cloth as people were, for example, in the 1930's and 40's.
I'm sorry to have to say it, because I despise it every bit as much as you seem to, but it will probably take some form of 'tough' government to deal with the tyranny that is Islam. Western, liberal, democratic governments have grown weak and corrupted.
If the price of defending Western civilization is that we have to live through a period of very tough government, then so be it. The end justifies the means, as far as I am concerned. Sorry to sound so Machiavellian about it.
"It's an incredibly serious issue. It's the big issue.
It is a serious issue, I agree. But an even more serious issue is the growth of Islam in the UK!
We need very much stronger leadership nationally to promote the benefits of the multi-cultural society.
Truth and balderdash! We certainly need much stronger leadership naationally; but not for the reasons given. What she wants to do is brainwash the electorate still further?
That woman is talking through her backside!
Moreover, it isn't only working class people who are talking about voting for the BNP. I have heard some very middle class people say they would vote for them, too! Why? Because they feel betrayed by the mainstream parties, and because they feel that Britian is changing rapidly, and changing out of recognition.
The trend of people turning to the BNP is a very worrying trend; but it's a trend which has been brought about by inaction and prevarication.
What I'd like to know is this? Who gave our politicians the right to turn our society into a multi-racial society? Were people ever asked to vote on such a serious matter? The answer, of course, is a very firm 'NO'.
Forrest Shalom:
I agree with you.
I can understand the emotion that drives people to the BNP. They are looking for someone and some group of honesty, forthrightness, and integrity, qualities people perceive as strong. These really are strong qualities, but not always right if one stops looking at the superficial.
Those crass performers of the right and the left, whether in Britain or in America, make people yearn for REAL LEADERSHIP, for the strength of integrity. Alas, these good intentions cause many who do not do their homework to support THE APPEARANCE of strength, in the strong party, the strong leader. Their yearning may well lead them to (blindly) back the party and the person who leads them into bondage, a la Adolf Hitler.
Nothing is stronger than reality. Nothing is sounder than reason. Nothing is more proper than a reality and reason based morality. And no political system based on the foregoing can be anything but strong in the best, i.e., most rational, sense.
Let no one in England and no one in America buy a pig-in-a-poke as a substitute for proper strength and leadership!
Mark, this reminds of the book "A Time For Truth" (1977) by William E Simon. He was Secretary of the U.S Treasury in the 70's and was shocked by what he found in government.
Part of his book details how western governments and business' helped to industrialize the Soviet Union from the twenties through to its demise.
Companies like GM, Ford and GE made kitset plants and factories and shipped them over. Britain, France and Germany also provided know how and technology.
The Soviets looted East Germany after the war uplifting entire factories and relocating them to Russia which provided the basis of its space programme.
Just like Islam, Communism has great trouble creating wealth and must take it from others. So as crazy as it sounds, western taxpayers in the twentieth century unwittingly helped to finance the industrial expansion of an evil empire intent on its destruction.
ie. Westerners were rewarded for their generousity by having their cities targeted by Soviet missiles. Hmmmm, remind you of anything?? Does history not change? Does it not repeat itself?
Genuine politicians are rare as in Reagan and Thatcher. Most are incompetents looking for prestige and power. The only thing that will change their behaviour is the threat of losing votes and therefore losing power.
Forrest Shalom:
the west must immediately cease all contact with moslem countries and islam with the exception of christian evangelism.
This isn't going to happen.
this means no oil purchases, and no business dealings whatsover. no military armament sales, no advising, no pandering, and groveling, etc. it also means no more "dialogues with islam" ad naseum infinitum.
To hope for these things is totally and utterly unrealistic, as you know. For a start, imagine the West going without its oil (at least until a substitute can be found)! And imagine the West foregoing the enormous profit it makes from arms sales!
do you think this is going to happen? i don't, but its the only answer...
Certainly not. But we can go on wishing (if we wish to waste our time).
Forrest Shalom:
national leaders should also call for an "Israel Appreciation Day" and honor its Jews who have been a big blessing to the countries that allowed them the freedom to flourish.
If they were to do this, then you do realize that in this PC we world we inhabit that they would also call for an 'Islam Appreciation Day', don't you? Would you want that?
the west has sown to the wind with its involvement with islam and is beginning to REAP THE WHIRLWIND!
I agree with that, and wholeheartedly.
George Mason (PBUH):
I can understand the emotion that drives people to the BNP. They are looking for someone and some group of honesty, forthrightness, and integrity, qualities people perceive as strong.
Yes, and they are looking for politicians with the courage to do something about the problems that the mainstream parties have become too PC to do anything about.
That people are now turning to the BNP is in many ways a very positive development, for it means that people are waking up to the harsh realities of the twenty-first century, and it also means that the mainstream parties will have to wake up too, and change their strategies if they hope to forestall the trend.
People are very disgruntled with the main political parties, and with good reason.
The BNP are a very long way off winning an election. There would have to be a momentous change in the political landscape for them to have such a victory. The British are generally rather moderate people. But the BNP can put the wind up people like Blair and Cameron. Now that's a good thing! They've been allowed to be PC for far, far too long.
BNP used to have a terrible reputation. To some extent it still has such a reputation. But people are now beginning to perceive the BNP as more respectable than they used to. That's one reason why they are going from strength to strength, I believe.
Nick Griffin, BNP's leader, speaks for the indigenous population. No-one else is willing to. So that is bound to have an appeal to many, since we have had years and years of politicians only speaking for, and standing up for ethnic minorities.
This cannot go on. A society has to be equitable.
Leelion:
Welcome back! It's good to have you around.
Just like Islam, Communism has great trouble creating wealth and must take it from others. So as crazy as it sounds, western taxpayers in the twentieth century unwittingly helped to finance the industrial expansion of an evil empire intent on its destruction.
Islam really does have trouble generating wealth. What is happening today would never have happened without the advent of the importance of oil and all the wealth it has generated for the Middle East (without Middle Easterners having to work for it).
Genuine politicians are rare as in Reagan and Thatcher. Most are incompetents looking for prestige and power. The only thing that will change their behaviour is the threat of losing votes and therefore losing power.
Exactly. I couldn't agree with you more. Most politicians are on an ego-trip: they go into politics for what they can get out of it rather for what they can put into their country.
Al Fin: Pissing puppies on a leash
That metaphor fits perfectly!
And the leash is made of pc, multi-culti, and the almighty dollar.
Good morning, Always:
You've got that right!
Bld:
Well said!
Did you notice that the MSM are trying to portray the drift as one from the working classes. That's actually not true as far as I can see. Many middle class voters are also being attracted to the BNP because they are sick and tired of what is happening to Britian under Labour.
Blair is bringing the country to its knees. It has also become extremely corrupt under his watch. He is giving it all away to Europe, and to the Muslim community at home, and to the potentates of the Middle East. Islam has grown significantly in influence under his watch. How can any British person respect a leader like that?
Alas, the prospect of a Conservative government offers little more hope for the poor British electorate, for the Conservatives are equally PC and multi-culti in their own way, too. Further, Cameron is not strong enough to stand up to the might of Islam. He's all form and no substance! Little wonder people are turning to the BNP. They have little alternative.
Though I am no supporter of the BNP - they carry too much baggage from the past to appeal to me, at least as yet - I must admit this: Nick Griffin is one of the few politicians that seems to understand Islam, and he is one of the few politicians willing and tough enough to stand up for the true British voter.
If the gains of the BNP shake the main parties out of their reveries and stupidity, then Nick Griffin will have achieved a lot. The main stream parties need to be sent a strong message: that the British electorate will stand for no more bloody nonsense!
Bld:
One more thing: So many of the established politicians are lining their own pockets with monies from Middle Eastern oil. Backhanders through the backdoor! They are selling our civilization down the river.
Bld:
Cherie's rolling in it though!
Isn't she just!
Excellent discussion! Of course, I hope that a reasonable solution by articulate leadership pre-empts a rash reaction driven by a demagogue. And, of course, Mark, your work is helping to make a reasonable alternative possible. But you know what is going to happen. The PC types are going to say that only a racist would be critical of Islam. So it is important to differentiate between sound criticism and the demagogues.
I like what George, Leelion, and others say also.
Hi Jason!
It's good to have you back with us.
Of course, I hope that a reasonable solution by articulate leadership pre-empts a rash reaction driven by a demagogue.
I couldn't agree with you more. But I feel that this might stop the established party members resting on their laurels. They've done that for long enough; and have gulled the electorate for far too long, too.
The PC types are going to say that only a racist would be critical of Islam. So it is important to differentiate between sound criticism and the demagogues.
Yes, they surely will. But isn't it funny that this term 'racist' - which is a nonsense term when applied to Islam (since Muslims are not a race) - only applies one way? It's never applied when Christians or atheists are criticized.
By the way, I'm glad you're enjoying the discussion.
Since Mark brings up the subject of Machiavelli, maybe it would be a good idea to revisit something of what he said, especially being one of those dead white males so reviled by our academic and cultural elites.
"I say that every prince should desire to be considered merciful and not cruel; nevertheless, he must take care not to use this mercy badly. Cesare Borgia was considered cruel; still, his cruelty brought order to the Romagna, united it, and restored it to peace and loyalty. If this is considered carefully, it will be seen that he was much more merciful than the Florentine people, who, to avoid a reputation for cruelty, allowed Pistoria to be destroyed. A prince, therefore, must not mind aquiring a bad reputation for cruelty in order to keep his subjects united and loyal, for, with very few examples of cruelty, he will be more merciful than those who, because of too much mercy, allow disorders to continue, from which spring killing and plundering, for these usually harm the whole community, while the executions which come from the prince just harm particular individuals."
Sums up quite well our current follies, don't you think.
Bld:
Inspired!
bld
The answer to your question is somewhat complex. For while I do indeed see Blair and all his cronies as weak, although they do like to display all the trappings of the strong arm of authority, that is as long as it only requires verbal resolution. ZaNuLabour has all the resolve of the proverbial paper tiger. They are not true leaders, but soulless opportunists. Unfortunately, the British public has been under the constant seige of intellectual terrorists for nigh on a hundred years, from the cultural Marxists', to their bastard progeny, the post modernists, with an able assistance from various nihilists and sophists. The people are left floundering, directionless; is it any wonder that ZaNuLabour could gain control, after all, they and their friends are masters of spin....sorry, going off on a tangental rant....back to the subject in hand. As to how I see Nick Griffin, well, from where I sit (in a rather hot South Florida), I can't say that I know enough about him to pass judgement on that score. Even from this distance I can see that Cameron is nothing more than a space filling a shirt; glib, photogenic (well maybe not!) with absolutely no substance.
While I see, and understand the call for a strong leadership, that desire can be a siren call for a real authoritarian to slip into a position of entrenched power upon the ruination of public liberty. How would a true democrat fare in the corrosive, vindictive nature of the current political climate. Any man or woman showing true strength of charachter would be viewed as a real threat by all the hopeful minnows busy swimming in the sewar that Parliament has become; even with the backing of the population as a whole, it would be a Sisiphusion endeavour. We need Hurcules NOW! The Augean stable needs cleaning again. The whole rotten lot needs throwing out. From this distance, it is difficult to see any of them worth saving, maybe, maybe William Hague, plus there was a Labour backbencher who sounds like his heart is in the right place, just the ideology he follows is a sick joke. Ask yourself this, how does such a useless waste of space like Jack Straw, stand in the House, without being eaten alive by almost every member of the opposition - there are simply no men or women of any intellect (excepting Hague (?)) to be found anywhere, for they all seem to be comfortably numb. My reference to Machiavelli, was that the country is adrift, in danger of being left to chance of fate; with nothing or no one trying to pull it together; everyone of the political elites are too busy, hoping and wishing to be liked, for posterity to say what a wonderful soul they are (excepting gorgeous George)(note: the wish is for the present not at some later date). There is a great quote from Francis Bacon which aptly aplies to this shower..."it is in the nature of extreme self-lovers, that they will burn their house down, for to roast their eggs"
Scepticism, in moderation, is very healthy for the body politic of any nation, for it can restrain the excessess of foolish pride and or ambition, but a surfeit of scepticism breeds cynicism, which in turn gives birth to rejectionism, something that is a fatal poison to the democratic polity. Sadly, I see that position has infected the majority of the population of the country that I love, but can no longer reside in.
Consider, Saint Tone the Pious, and his sanctimonious choir, managed to get themselves elected by hardly more than a quarter of the eligible population. As Hannah Arendt pointed out in "The Origins of Totalitarianism", what Adolph Hitler and the Nazis showed was the danger inherent in viewing the atomised disaffected as of no consquence, and the power these millions could exert when enervated by seductive sirens, calling directly to their dissatisfactions.
Tony Blair's true legacy will not be written, until we see what follows, he has openned the door to foul tyranny. Lets await to see what steps through that door. I am not optimistic.
Sorry for the length of the post.
bld
As you say, the list of whats wrong is almost endless. How do we find that strong leader, who is willing to lead, without casting his ego to the seductive self flattery of ambition. You are looking for the proverbial needle in a haystack. And to top it all off, he will have to be an independant, as anything else will bring down the wrath of party factionalism, before he/she has a real chance to show true individuality and intellect. This may sound an odd approach, but once that person has established their credentials, maybe then it will be up to the parties to try and woo him/her to their side. That person must first demonstrate their capabilities to the electorate in general, in order to be able to draw in the dissaffected millions, with that the main parties will be forced to adapt or conceed. As they stand, the current political crop stands tainted. A hare brained mad scheme, well yes, but do you really see another way ouf this Gordian knot bequeath to us by those that know so much more than us peons?
Food for thought.
Some of the commenters here are missing a salient point. Is the BNP racist? Arguably yes, but so are the current politically correct elite rulers! Open your eyes and stop listening to what they trumpet and say, but rather at their actions. Their actions are just as racist as the BNPs words in actual effect. It is the height of hypocrisy for the left to condem the BNP as 'racists', when their track record has been favorable to certain groups to the detriment of the majority group. Alas! no one holding the trumpet seems to point this out as it should be pointed out. What's needed is a truly non-racist leadership, but given the nature of mankind, you may as well forget about that pie in the sky.
CJK:
Good points, very well made. Thank you!
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