Saturday, December 17, 2005

Further to requests to re-publish this essay, I have decided to re-publish it today:

Islam: The enemy of democracy and freedom!

Until 9/11, the western world was largely ignorant of the religion of Islam, of its goals, of its aspirations. Indeed, even since 9/11, most people, and that includes our politicians, would not score very highly in a test of their knowledge on the subject. It should be obvious to all thinking people that our politicians are actually unaware, dare I say blind, to the dangers that Islam will increasingly cause us. It is truly a case of the blind leading the blind! That means to say, uninformed and unthinking politicians leading an ill-informed electorate. But folks, this is what we have right now. The same can hardly be said of Muslims in the Islamic world, though; for their knowledge of Christianity far surpasses - even though much of their knowledge is quite distorted - any knowledge of Islam by the man in the street in the West.

As the old saying goes, knowledge is power. But what we often don't hear uttered is its converse: Ignorance is weakness!

The West is far weaker than it need be because of this ignorance of Islam, since Islam is our greatest enemy. The greatest enemy since Nazism and communism. I'll give you some good reasons why this is so. And none of them - absolutely none of them - are based on hatred!

Islam is the enemy of the West for a plethora of good, solid reasons, and if we wish to survive as a civilization, we are going to have to bite the bullet and deal, head on, with the issues these reasons raise. Let us begin...

First and foremost, we are dealing with a religion which does not recognize any separation of politics and religion, any separation of the political from the spiritual. For Muslims, life is one coherent whole: the political and spiritual both meld into one. This has always been so, and always will be. No re-classification of the religion into two separate parts is possible because of Islam's very nature.

In Islam, all power rests with Allah, the god of Muslims. The Qur'an, their holy book, is always taken literally. Those words are considered to be the actual words of Allah. Therefore, none of these words can be changed, for to change any of them would be tantamount to tampering with Allah's words. This would be a grave sin in their eyes.

For the same reason that the words contained in the Qur'an cannot be changed, they cannot, therefore, be re-interpreted either. So do not hold your breath for any kind of reformation in this religion, because it ain't gonna happen!

In Islam, all power rests with Allah, and it filters down via his vice-gerents on earth to the people. Hence the great desire among Muslims to restore the caliphate. Contrast this with the Western model of government!

In the West, the ideal political system is democracy. In democracy, all power rests with the people, and they exercise that power at the polls. In a democracy, all power filters in the opposite direction from Islam. In democracy it filters up; in Islam, down! Herein lies the greatest barrier to the miscibility of the two worlds: the western world and the Islamic world!

Without digressing too much here, I should like to add that this is the main reason why George W Bush and Blair's venture into Iraq to bring democracy there was a grave error of judgment. How can one bring democracy to a region of the world where the people who inhabit that region believe that all power rests with Allah, and where they believe that Allah has prescribed their way of life for them for then, for now, and for all time?

I would suggest that where such a dichotomy exists, the most sensible and prudent thing to do would be for us to lead our lives as we see fit, and for those people to be allowed to live their lives as they see fit. That way, there would be hope of some peace in this world.

But this is not what we have done. We have done the very opposite of this: We have entered the Middle East in the hope - the vain hope in my opinion - of bringing our way of doing things, our way of life, to them; furthermore, we have allowed millions and millions of Muslims into the West - and at the very time when Christianity, the religion which underpins the West, is greatly weakened anyway - which will only give us headaches for the years ahead. Why? Because Muslims who immigrate bring their hopes and dreams and aspirations with them of establishing Islam everywhere on earth. To Islamize the world is the main aspiration of the Muslim; and we have seen these past weeks, the manifestation of aggression in its cause in France. For what happened in France was in no small part because of the Muslim's desire to establish Allah's caliphate here on earth. These were the first rumblings, the first roar of the lion! Expect more of this in the future, as Islam grows stronger and stronger.

Muslims, by and large, do not respect non-Muslims. How can they? Their religion does not allow them to do so. Their religion preaches that Muslims are superior to non-Muslims; indeed, they use the derogatory term infidel for us. This word to some Westerners might simply mean that they call us infidels because we are people who do not subscribe to their faith. This, after all, would be quite logical, since to us it simply means not fidele, or not true to the faith. But this does not completely describe what Muslims mean by this term. To Muslims, to be called an infidel is an insult indeed! It has connotations of inferiority, backwardness, and even uncleanness!

You see, Muslims believe that Islam is the perfection of religion for man for all time. They call it ad deen al kamal, the perfect religion. People, in their eyes, who have not yet submitted to the will of Allah, are in a state of pre-Islamic chaos, a state known to them as Jahiliyyah! To Muslims, all Muslims, the whole world is classified in two parts: that part of the world which has submitted, and is therefore in the Islamic state, known as Dar al Islam, and that part of the world which has yet to submit, and is therefore in a pre-Islamic, chaotic, jahiliyyic state, known as Dar al Harb, or the House of War!

The House of War is the part of the world which has yet to be taken over, and must at some point be taken over in the future. We, I am sorry to inform you, are in the House of War. So we can expect anything at anytime.

Some people would ask why we were able to go for quite a long time without problems with Muslims. The answer to that is a simple one indeed. First of all, there were relatively few Muslims living in the West, so the ones that did live here were not powerful. Secondly, Muslims living in the Islamic world were, for the most part and for many years, poor by anyone's standards. This all changed with the Oil Embargo of the 70s - a time when the price of oil on the world markets soared. As a result of this, the Islamic world became rich and empowered. Money is power; and it talks loudly! In recent years we have seen evidence aplenty of Islam being on the move. I tell you now: If we do not find a way of clipping its wings here in the West, we shall lose our democracy, and we shall be in deep, deep trouble.

So the trouble we will have with Muslims will not come only from without, but in the future we can expect trouble from the Muslims within. The millions of Muslims living here in the West will not integrate, because it is not in their worldview to do so. It is also forbidden them by their very own Prophet Himself, the Prophet Muhammad. He forbade Muslims even to befriend infidels. He also exhorted them to kill us. And he certainly told them that they should live separate lives, and dress and behave differently, so that they could easily tell themselves apart.

No Western politician is going to be able to change these facts. For facts they are indeed. Moreover, as Islam will grow here, their numbers will become greater and greater, and they will be able to use our democratic system to outvote us and introduce their form of government based as it is on their beloved Shariah, or quranic laws! How do you propose we shall be able to stop them? We shall be outnumbered, and as the outcome of democratic elections depends on the number of votes cast, we shall be able to do nothing about it! This time will come quicker than we might think, because so few babies are being born to infidel families.

The only thing left for people to do, will be to fight. Inevitably, at some point, civil war will ensue. If the political process fails people, then this will be all that will be left for them: civil war, guerre civile, Bürgerkrieg, call it what you will.

But one thing I can assure you, no politicians' sweet talk, posturing, or manœvring, will get us out of this one without conflict at some point in the future.

You see, one of the biggest problems for the West is its devotion to the concept of freedom of religion. This is a lofty concept and ideal indeed; but this devotion blinds people to one important reality: Islam is not just a religion, but a political system also. Indeed, it is more of a political system than anything else, and it is, in addition, a political system diametrically opposed to our own. It abhorrs freedom of choice, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of anything that we so cherish! The only thing one is free to do in Islam is become a Muslim, and submit to the will of Allah!

These two systems are totally immiscible, and unfortunately, we have imported this immiscibility right into the heart of the West! To our own great disadvantage, and to the disadvantage of our long term peace and security. What, I ask you, will the Americans do when the ever growing Muslim population in America starts wanting to tinker with the Americans' beloved Constitution? When Muslims will see their way clear to supplant the Constitution with Shariah law?

Questions like these are the ones we should be grappling with NOW. To wait until the time comes would be foolish indeed.

Wake up to the harsh realities of life in the twenty-first century! We've got some collective thinking to do if we wish to save ourselves from darkness! Perhaps we shall, indeed, be forced to think about having to re-classify Islam as a political system first and foremost, a political system immiscible with our own, and one whose advance needs to be forestalled. This may be one of our only sensible alternatives. Since to give complete, unhampered freedom to Islam to grow here in the West is tantamount to digging our own graves!

©Mark Alexander

31 comments:

JudahQ said...

Mark, I would like to add some words written by Dr Patrick Sookhdeo who is the International Director of the Barnabas Fund and the Institute for the Study of Islam and Christianity. Dr Sookhdeo holds a PhD from the School of Oriental and African Studies, London University and was awarded a Doctor of Divinity by Western Seminary, Portland, Oregon for his work in the field of pluralism.

Here are some interesting words of his:

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In 1980 the Islamic Council of Europe published a book called Muslim Communities in Non-Muslim States which clearly explained the Islamic agenda in Europe.

When Muslims live as a minority they face theological problems, because classical Islamic teaching always presupposed a context of Islamic dominance; hence the need for guidance on how to live in non-Muslim states. The instructions given in the book told Muslims to get together and organise themselves with the aim of establishing a viable Muslim community based on Islamic principles. This is the duty of every individual Muslim living within a non-Muslim political entity. They should set up mosques, community centres and Islamic schools. At all costs they must avoid being assimilated by the majority. In order to resist assimilation, they must group themselves geographically, forming areas of high Muslim concentration within the population as a whole. Yet they must also interact with non-Muslims so as to share the message of Islam with them. Every Muslim individual is required to participate in the plan; it is not allowed for anyone simply to live as a “good Muslim” without assisting the overall strategy. The ultimate goal of this strategy is that the Muslims should become a majority and the entire nation be governed according to Islam.

(M. Ali Kettani “The Problems of Muslim Minorities and their Solutions” in Muslim Communities in Non-Muslim States
(London: Islamic Council of Europe, 1980) pp.96-105 )

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So... the Islamic Council of Europe has already quite blatantly stated their agenda which matches your comments in your essay. There is absolutely no doubt that what you are saying is the truth about this threat we are facing.

Mark said...

JudahQ:

Thanks for this comment. It's interesting that it verifies what I say; though obviously I am not surprised.

Always On Watch said...

Mark,
This is so good! And this information needs to be distributed far and wide.

Jason_Pappas said...

Excellent summary! It will take some time before people learn about Islam. Until then our political leaders will continue to be well-intentioned but misguided. I’m not saying that there are no strategic goals but a sustainable democracy isn’t possible as long as Islam has a strong hold. I’m not sure when we’ll hit the Islamic wall in Afghanistan or Iraq. However, it is my hope that some of us will be prepared to explain why they (not us) have failed to create a sustainable democracy … and how it’s been that way for 14 centuries. It will take time and, unfortunately, experience before people will think deeper and open their eyes. But it is slowly happening ... and each of us is working to make it happen. Keep up the good work.

Mark said...

Thanks, Jason. I appreciate very much your comments.

Mark said...

AlwaysOnWatch:

Thanks to you,too, for your positive comments. They're very much appreciated.

Always On Watch said...

Mark,
I've had to shorten the length of some of my comments for a while. Christmas is coming!

But I am still carefully reading all your articles.

Papa Ray said...

Mark said: "Islam is not just a religion, but a political system also. Indeed, it is more of a political system than anything else, and it is, in addition, a political system diametrically opposed to our own. It abhorrs freedom of choice, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of anything that we so cherish! The only thing one is free to do in Islam is become a Muslim, and submit to the will of Allah!"

Mark, there is a shorter and imho better way to say this.

Islam is an evil cult that is not compatabile with civilization.

Yours sounds better, but mine saves time.

Papa Ray
West Texas
USA

The Truth Teller said...

Mark,
Another superb and eloquent article! So much is quotable here, but I've chosen this bit: "Muslims, by and large, do not respect non-Muslims. How can they? Their religion does not allow them to do so." So, their charisma, which some perceive (I don't, but maybe I've become immune), can be a very, very dangerous front.

duren said...

Europe Will become islam!, you will see! in very near future! christianity is dead long time ago

because you kaffir idiotic doesnt know what islam is. you kaffir are eating and sleep like a pigs! you breed like a pigs!
you smell bad like a pigs!

democracy is a service for banking system, you idiot pigs! use your heart! i know you dont have a heart, bacause you are dirty pigs!


i know you just narrow minded! thats why youre those hatred kaffir pigs.

you never been to nusantara...you dont know nothing about islam! you just hatred, because the sickness in you heart which is you cant not stand it all!

hey you kaffir pigs, are you trying to explain about islam! amazing youre boasting!. you are a kaffir!remember that..you are not going anywhere because you are blind and ignorance!

what islam? do you understand islam? is it because you read the books about islam or read in news paper or watching CNN/ABC/CNBC who give you -the pictures of islam- and now you become an expert of islam..come on dude you must be drunk of alcoho or drugs, admit it!...

do come to indonesia and i will wack your head until you realize that you are just a moron pigs..who live in the darkness of your own sick heart!

you kaffir are the worst creatures in this world and after...even dogs are better than kaffir society..because dogs follows its nautral law!

friendlysaviour said...

Duren, from Indonesia,
I just read your comments.
Keep up with your study of the English language, one day you may improve.
I would just like to say, thankyou very much for showing me that you are a religion of peace. Please don't insult dogs as you know that many are rabid in your Country and Dogs can smell their enemies a mile off. You may just get bitten. (hopefully)
Thankyou also for your invitation to come to Indonesia to let you "wack our heads"
You are a charming fellow with only good will to all the people of the planet.
I hope you get well soon from the illness you are suffering but I don't hold out much hope.

Mark said...

Bld:

You're a riot! :-)

Fortunately, (I had better say this quietly and cross my fingers, too) Duren hasn't been around for weeks. He kept coming back and forth when the cartoon controversy was raging. He was furious that I had placed them up on my site. Now that they are no longer here, except a link to them (and he probably hasn't noticed that), he has disappeared. Needless to say, I haven't lost any sleep over his disappearance! :-)

truth man said...

you are confused mark, stay of the crack. i just find this so funny.

the prophet did not tell us to kill non muslims but to respect each other no matter wht race or religion. while the cistians where killing everyone in thier holy wars the prophet let survivours liv and the chance to convert to the true religion if they chose not to he would still spare them. get your facts right mark. he went to war for the sake of women, the arab world back then would kill girls at birth and the man who saved them from that is a evil.
and you want to talk about respect you americans were born and raised on hate. killing and making black people suffer for centuries and they still are suffering in the so called peaceful west and have the nerv to to talk about respect.look at the west and the islamic world you look at terrorist and you idiots think all muslims are like that. use a bit of common sense look at all the peadofhiles, rapist, racsist's in the west there are, are all you like that no your not. islam has no colour,we are all brothers. get back to me mark
ahve a nice day and lay of the crack. get back to me amrk my e mail www.fayem786@hotmail.com

truth man said...

oh marcus, come out, come out wher ever you are.:)
islam is the only true religion left out thier. the quran unlike the bible(sorry, i meant to say bibles) :) has not changed one
bit, you right on that. but doesnt that give you a hint? god has protected his religion. we (muslims) unlike you cristian are willing to die for our religion and i don't mean as a suicide bomber:)
we muslims can live in peace no matter what colour unlike you in the west with your kkk.
im not with terrorism and neithier are most muslims, or do we like that fukin prick bin laden, he can rot in hell. but you want us to respect the fact that you don't want islam, "so respect it". ok we do. but you contradict the very thing your talking about "respect". respect the true religion which is islam not the religion which no 1 follows (cristianty). you don't want to then your life and you have the right to say what you want. look at your cristian society it has gambling, prostitution, racsism, sky high rape and murder and you still talk about muslims not respecting you. you cant even respect each other for crying out loud. :). why havent oyou got a websit on that? i'll answer that 4 u. u r a racsist. Admit it.

truth man said...

excuse my writing ladies sorry i mean fellas. i am not in an english exam so i chose to leve it short.

George Mason said...

Truth Man and Durien: Please continue to post. You give us the opportunity to see how your Muslim minds operate, and that is a good thing. Yes, your English is poor, but then your thinking is worse and is exceeded only by your ignorance. But, don't take my word for it. If you can read, start with Mark's book. If you can't read, get Imam Fuqq to teach you. Watching the truth enter your minds will be as thrilling as watching quantum physics when matter meets anti-matter.

Mark said...

George Mason (PBUH):

Beautifully stated!

peaceman911 said...

Hi Peaceman here aka Truth man
hey mark ur still alive!!!:)
Where have u been hiding??? organising a white superamcy group :)
no response to my questiion, Y??

Mark iv got some questions,
where u bullied at school??
where u sexually abused by your father??
i ask because y are you so angry :)

George mason (Pussy Bitch Ugly Horse) yes about my english, i am a late teen, u must b old, so i guess i have to let u no that this is how us young people chat online in England, Grandfather:)

i am a peaceful person, i luv whites n blacks, christians or what ever. hek i even luv you. and
about a muslim mind, well a mind is a unique product in a human. it's all different, it doesnt matter whether ur a muslim or christian, u bloody idiot!. and me and my non - muslims friends, are online and just cant stop laughing at you loosers!!!!!

we must destroy, islam.

ok lets get serious. i appologise, im just hyper.

ok islam, lets ce i have been a muslim, since i was 5. and in all my years of reading the quran, the books about the prophet mohammed(pbuh) i dnt remember him saying kill all non - muslims,
he said respect and love each other.

u get a certain minority like the pricks al- qeada and the kkk who just hate.

a mind, is a mind, a person, is a person. u cant judje all people by one person or what you think, or what you heard of that person.

so mark, once again, get you facts right.

if islam is such a bad and evil religion then why is it the fastest growing religion? and most of the converts are from the west.
it's not brain washing, but a truely wounderful religion that opens peoples eye's.
i know 10 people who have converted, because they have read books, or heard of the wounders in the islam life, but they have looked into the religion itself.
we have no colour, that is just some crap in the west.
these terrorist who say we have to kill non - muslims are just lost and confused, they will rot in hell, not that i wish that on any body, but that is the fact they are not martyrs they are evil, just like any other murderer out there.


i'll b back 2moro, Mark,
later
amigo :0

George Mason said...

Peaceman911 or is it Truth Man? It really doesn't matter since you are not entitled to use either. As a Muslim, you should call yourself something like LiesALot or WouldNotKnowTruthIfFellInIt.

Looking at your writing, I am amazed to ask if the Neaderthals had Muslims, and if some survived?

In America, we used to laugh at those superfundamentalistic hyperChristians who preached Hell Fire and Damnation and were against anything positive in life. We used to think they were extreme. Then came the Islamists--sand savages--who have made our superfundamentalistic hyperChristians seem pretty tame.

Try some of these facts on for size:

1. There is no Allah. There never was, and there never will be. Allah is a human fiction, and you damn well know it. Allah is a lie, just one of many you Muslims tell.

2. The koran is as divine as a roll of toilet paper. There being no Allah, there has been no Gabriel, and no such thing as the revealed word of Allah. The koran is a human construction and is a badly organized and worse written war manual guiding mental cripples called Muslims.

3. Muhammad is a phony scam artist who passed himself as some sort of prophet from a non-existent Allah. The only good he did was to die, but he should have done so much sooner. He made up all this Islam by plagiarizing, and he used it to live a very evil life.

You see, you are living a huge lie as a Muslim. Why is Islam growing so fast, you say. Well, look who it attracts. Psychologically inadequate people. Alas, there are a lot of such wasted people on earth.

Oh, yes, if you are a "late teen," then please be advised that you are very late indeed. Open your mind, learn to think, learn English, and turn from Islam to reason. Muslims feel inferior chronically, but there is hope for you. Renounce Islam and come join us in the good that life has to offer.

truthbro said...

Truth man here.

Hahahah. my god.
what is it with you and writing?

i asked mark, yesterday whether mark, was bullied at school and whether he was sexually abused, but i think i will ask you, were u?
y are u so angry??

your ignorance does not seem to amaze me. :)

where, you have seemed to get all of this bogus information, i will never know. lets just hope you stay of the off the marijuana and the crack :)

your facts, are not facts, infact they are opinions, there is no way in hell, you could prove it to be a fact, you nitwit! :)

why shall i, join a bunch of people who think having sex, with the same sex, is right?
why shall i, join a bunch of people, who are raised on hatred of another man's colour?

Oh, yes, there are a lot of wasted people, on this earth, the likes of you,
the likes of you, who have no knowledge, but act as if they have all the knowledge in the world.
you talk from your ass george (pussy bitch ugly horse)and what is even more amusing, is that you actually believe the crap, that comes out of your mouth.

what good did mohammed (pbuh) do?
he gave women rights.
in those days, women, were seen as so bad, so low that in most cases they were buried at birth.

back in the days of the prophet, men were sleeping with thier sister's and in some cases even thier own mother's and the prophet told them a right way.
i could go on all day but the, altruistic, mohammed (pbuh) guided them the right way.
he had servants, but never told them do do work, he could not do himself.
The arabian world back then had no law, the were living in a barbaric world, all tribes in war with each other, Mohammed (pbuh) united the country.

while your teens are out raping, vandalising, enjoying drugs or beating each other up 4 fun, our religion has done well to keep most of us out of that scene.

the islamic world, is a world of respect.
women know how to behave, not out acting like whores.
kids know who there fathers are.
kids have fathers, that don't run off.
daughters do not get pregnant b4, marriage.
there is a very low and i do mean very low in racial crime, we all get along.
men don't go on a rampage in bar's.
then their is the rape case. rape, oh my god, the rape, is just out of this world, of course there is rape in the islamic world, but on a minimum basis. in America the freedom to do what ever, really goes to people's mind does'nt it
look at your America, i have nothing against american's, what so ever, but it is not a country that i would want to raise a family. if i wanted to become a murderer or a rapist, get hooked on drugs, become a transexual, wanted to let my kids grow up with no morals, then yes, i would join you in America, george.

your words, anger me, but hey, its your life. allah shall deal with you. i, shall just turn the other cheek.

Muslims are dying all across the globe, which you must be enjoying, you, sick twisted individual,
but i have very strong faith and our great religion shall come on top, just as we did against the Romans. if you did not know George that it was the islam that took out the evil Romans.

i will be back soon george, and don't give me, your false, facts.
it is people like you and the terrorist that there is no peace on earth not because of islam.

i will be back 2moro.
bye, bye, georgina :)

Mark said...

Truth Man:

This thread is about whether Islam is the enemy of democracy and freedom. To talk about anything else is irrelevant.

You might have noticed - though it seems that you haven't - that people who comment on this forum are erudite and sensible. They generally do not engage in ad hominem attacks, and address the issue being discussed. You do not follow this code: You talk of irrelevant things, and you attack the person putting forward the argument. This is infantile, and shows lack of intellect.

If Islam is so great, then show us why! I'm willing to learn. Please show us where we are going wrong in our understanding of your great religion.

Mark Alexander

truthbro said...

how is islam, against freedom? i don't understand y, their r so many non- muslims that believe that.

Just because, their are certain rules, does not make it so, if it was a religion that did not allow any freedom, then believe me, i would not follow it.

i will not show you anything about y, it is a great religion. it is up 2 u whether you, want 2 believe or not. but i will tell u a bit y it is great
i hav known a drug addicted, lost in the streets, no money, robbing people. what turned him against all of that, ISLAM.
i have known people in crime, murder etc, who have turned on that, what got them to change their ways, ISLAM.
i have had a talk with a racist, who turned on all of that because he saw the beauty in ISLAM.
not all will c it, but many will.
but a person, who does not want to learn, will learn nothing.

you are going wrong, on our beliefs, because you don't know much about it. that is y i am, so angered. you believe, what you hear, or what you have read in the paper, or what u seen on tv.

if it was against freedom, than i would not be able to get educated, play sports, get a job, earn a living, have a family, feel happy, not do anything. but i am. i can do all of those.
all we are asked by allah is pray, respect others, give to charity, and follow his rules in this life etc and that heaven will be our prize. that does not mean it is against freedom.
islam is not against you. it just wants you 2 lead a straight & respectable life. if you chose not 2, then your choice.
if u want to believe, than beleive.

i am not telling you, but i ask people to understand fully about islam and to respect it. but what can i, do to change what people, think or believe.

i can tollerate a lot in life, but not on false facts on my religion.

i love my Country, (England) with my heart, but i love my religion, with my life.

i will not b bak again on this site, i will not waste my time,
not that u lot will be bothered much :)

but wish u a happy life.

allah hu akbar. may allah bring peace on this earth and make everyone able to see the truth.

George Mason said...

To Truthbro or whatever name you give yourself at any moment:

The finest thing you have ever said is "i will not b bak again on this site, i will not waste my time, not that u lot will be bothered much :)"

Thank you.

What keeps you from embarrassing yourself to death? I know that this becomes a rhetorical question since you say you have left permanently, but Muslims lie.

I read your "reply" to my remarks earlier today. I saw no evidence of your capability for rational discourse. For example, your wonderful Muhammad, whom you glorify as though he were just another hero of the Enlightenment, indeed was really good with women and children. Yes, he was good at screwing them, as long as they were other men's wives and little girls. He was a pervert. YOUR ISLAMIC DOCUMENTS DOCUMENT THIS.

If you don't like these documents, too bad, but at least educate yourself about Islam. You are embarrassingly ignorant of your own history and doctrines, yet you are so willing to flaunt your ignorance in public, as though it were something to be proud of. Stop and think about this. Do you not have more pride?

Because logic and principles of thinking seem not to have become part of your cognition as yet, you just emoted explosively about my three points. Let me restate them a little differently: (1.) Prove to me or to anyone that there is an Allah, by reference to the facts of reality, following logical rules of evidence; (2.) Show me or anyone even as much as ONE shred of factual evidence that the koran was the revealed word of Allah, and that it was revealed to Muhammad; (3.) Show me even one shred of factual evidence that Muhammad was appointed as the final prophet by Allah as he claimed. While you are at it, show me that the biography of Muhammad by Ibn Ishaq lied about the perverse and perfidious nature of Muhammad.

You have read the koran, ahadith, and the rasul, haven't you?

You will not be able to show me any evidence for any of the three Islamic assertions. The reason is that they are all lies. They are lies clothed in emotional beliefs, which require you to suspend your thinking in order to accept that which is not real. That is one of the big reasons you Muslims are so blood thirsty--you can't argue with words, so you threaten. This is the year 2006 A.D., not 632 A.D. A lot has happened to advance logical discourse since then. Catch up.

That my words got to you means that there is a message in them for you. Are you savvy enough to get it?

If you are an Englishman, as you say, your atrocious language skills are seriously hurting you. Take it from me, no one will take you seriously using language this badly, except equally ignorant fellow Muslims--to that prospect, I say, beware the company you keep.

You boast about how Muslims destroyed the Roman Empire. Now, really, is that something to take pride in? Most peoples take pride in the things they create and construct. So, let's see, it was 1453 A.D., some 2000 years after the founding of Rome. Your Muslim barbarians took out Constantinople, killed, raped, and plundered--then did not do a constructive thing except mess up the Sophia with tacky Islamic decorations until the world gave itself a long overdue Ottoman Empire enema after World War I.

Why throw in your lot with people who have accomplished for 1400 years or so that which no others have done: literally NOTHING. Become a part of something, not nothing. Get positive; it will do you a world of good.

Why not open your mind? Get educated. Get thoughtful. Critically examine Islam after you learn about it. Then dare yourself to have the fortitude to face what Islam really is and turn your back on it. When you do, you will have a real chance for the pursuit of happiness.

There is hope for you if you are as young as you say. You do not have to condemn yourself to a life sentence of being a Muslim. Life is good, and there is so much to be enjoyed, and so much to accomplish--not destroy. Come on. Join the world. We welcome you.

Anonymous said...

Interesting discussion but I see no need to insult anybody - the same basic ideas can be discussed honestly without calling people names and without pigeonholing anybody.

Muslims claim to be color-blind but can't seem to get along even with fellow Muslims. They claim to be good to women but keep multiple wives and keep them barefoot and pregnant and all covered up like walking bathtowels.

Westerners claim to be enlightened but they have a horrid teenage pregnancy rate and divorce rate and DWI rate, and voting machines that wink wink.

We all have something to learn from one another and we all need to be more honest about our shortcomings.

Is Islam compatible with democracy? It depends on which version of Islam you are referring to. No country that has a state-sponsored religion can ever be a true democracy. It's not just Islam.

A moderate version of Islam would be as compatible with Western democracies as a moderate version of most religions. Are all religions nonsense? This is an endless and needless debate. Nothing wrong with someone believing in the supernatural as long as they don't go around killing because of the voices they hear from their god(s).

Mark said...

Anonymous:

Interesting discussion but I see no need to insult anybody - the same basic ideas can be discussed honestly without calling people names and without pigeonholing anybody.

Muslims claim to be color-blind but can't seem to get along even with fellow Muslims. They claim to be good to women but keep multiple wives and keep them barefoot and pregnant and all covered up like walking bathtowels.


What is this except for an insult? Aren't you guilty of the very thing - calling people names - you are accusing others of?

Westerners claim to be enlightened but they have a horrid teenage pregnancy rate and divorce rate and DWI rate, and voting machines that wink wink.

Yes, alas! They are obviously not following the teachings of our Lord!

We all have something to learn from one another and we all need to be more honest about our shortcomings.

We certainly do. But there's no need to go around beheading and killing other people when they don't agree with you!

Is Islam compatible with democracy? It depends on which version of Islam you are referring to. No country that has a state-sponsored religion can ever be a true democracy. It's not just Islam.

No, Islam is certainly NOT compatible with democracy. How can a religion be compatible with democracy when it doesn't even recognize the first principle of democracy: To separate politics from religion?

A moderate version of Islam would be as compatible with Western democracies as a moderate version of most religions.

No, it wouldn't! Christianity renders unto Caesar that which belongs to Caesar, and unto God, that which belongs to Him. Islam doesn't do this. Period!


Are all religions nonsense? This is an endless and needless debate. Nothing wrong with someone believing in the supernatural as long as they don't go around killing because of the voices they hear from their god(s).

That's for you to decide!

Liberty Lover said...

Mark, I have you to thank for two nights in a row of very little sleep ;-). I have just finished reading your book. Awesome, but very worrying. I have been researching Islam for years now and your book is the latest and by far the most frank and to the point about this very real and massive problem at hand. From one page to the other I thought about people in my street, my town and my country who are blissfully unaware of the impending peril. I looked for an email address to email you with some thoughts/questions regarding what we can do to get this message out there. To quote another famous author "My people perish for lack of knowledge".

Mark said...

Liberty Lover:

A very warm WELCOME to this forum!

Mark, I have you to thank for two nights in a row of very little sleep ;-).

I'm so sorry to learn of your inability to sleep. I am especially troubled that your inability to sleep was caused by me and my book! :-)

I have just finished reading your book. Awesome, but very worrying. I have been researching Islam for years now and your book is the latest and by far the most frank and to the point about this very real and massive problem at hand. From one page to the other I thought about people in my street, my town and my country who are blissfully unaware of the impending peril.

This is an awesome book review. Thank you so much. I appreciate your assessment greatly.

Would you be so kind as to allow me to reproduce this on the sidebar on the front page of my blogspot?

I looked for an email address to email you with some thoughts/questions regarding what we can do to get this message out there. To quote another famous author "My people perish for lack of knowledge".

You can email me at markalex@ntlworld.com
I shall look forward to hearing from you shortly.

hellosnackbar said...

As a comment concerning the appalling english as used by your "muslim scholars"such as"peaceman911"who purports to be an englishman,I have read on various sites the protestations of the followers of Islam, the same idiotic ravings.
They express themselves in "textspeak" they are educationally incapable of engaging in the language of the country that gave us Shakespere,Milton et al.
They are the product of a semi- isolationist muslim culture(if one can call it such)that teaches them
the idiotic musings of an illiterate 7th century murdering itinerant,whom they extol as "the perfect human being".
He may not be anything like this description to anyone who has reached "an age of reason"but he must have been one hell of a "salesman"to peddle the sort of twaddle written in the"Koran".
Literally interpreted the "holy book"is nothing more than a manual
for psyschopaths and indeed that is precisely how it is used by muslim zealots.
It is my view that ""Islam"should be the subject of unrelenting derision;with the hope that the unfortunate souls who are born into this benighted faith, might be
persuaded to abandon it and join the civilised world.

Mark said...

Hellosnackbar:

That's one hell of a comment! Good on ya, as they say Down Under. How could anyone argue with that?

L. Frank Morgan said...

totally agree with Mark ---too bad he is no longer open to anyone on the internet ---it certainly is understandable ---I do wish him the best for sure, forevermore!
Frank Morgan of Newhall,CA USA

Mark said...

L. Frank Morgan:

Thank you for your good wishes. I'm so glad you agree with me.

Unfortunately, I rarely allow comments on my website anymore. But on rare occasions, I still do. However, you can always get a message across to me on an old post like this one.

Best wishes to you. And thanks so much for your great comment.