"Gays are immoral"
So says the UK's top Muslim, Sir Iqbal Sacranie, the recently-knighted head of the Muslim Council of Britain. "Homosexuality is immoral and spreads disease, and civil partnerships are damaging society", he says.
So much for the BBC's assertion that Islam is compatible with a modern democracy!
Many people have problems with homosexuality, not only Muslims; but most people today, even if they disagree with the homosexual lifestyle and civil partnerships for them, do not deny the right of gays to exist and their right to lead their lives as they see fit. Muslims, by contrast, with their mediaeval ideas do not. Many a Muslim would have them killed.
It was predictable that I found no reference to this outpouring on the BBC website. Is this part of their whitewashing of Islam, too? Or are they scratching their heads there trying to think up a creative way of reporting this backward opinion.
This will not be the first time for me to assert that Islam is totally and utterly incompatible with a modern liberal democracy; indeed, I have asserted this many, many times, and I shall go on asserting it, since it is totally and utterly incompatible with our system. Churchill also asserted it.
Sir Iqbal says that homosexuality "is not acceptable". Perhaps, in that case, he might think of relocating to a more mediaeval culture where such people are not tolerated, and perhaps even killed.
The funny thing about Islam's great problem with homosexuality is this: There are many gays in Saudi Arabia in particular, and in the Gulf in general! In fact, when I worked there, I found it to be a ubiqitous 'deviance'! A deviance that many a Muslim turned a blind eye to, I was told on good authority. The only crime there, I was informed, was to get caught in flagrante delicto! Separating men when at their friskiest from attractive women is nothing if not a recipe for the promotion of homosexuality!
More evidence, perhaps, that Islam breeds hypocrisy. The reason for this is simple: If a religion places so many burdens on its followers and metes out such harsh punishments for not observing the rules, people are left with no choice but to break the rules, but pretend that they are living by them. This, in most people's book, is known as hypocrisy!
Now that we have heard the honest thoughts of a high-up British Muslim pontificating on the evils of homosexuality, how long will it be before we hear such a person speaking against the rôle of women in Western society, and unmarried mothers and other 'deviants' in our evil Western societies?
Be sure of one thing: This is just the beginning! Brace yourselves for more backward thoughts from backward Muslims.
©Mark Alexander
5 comments:
I visit many, many milblogs daily. Leaving sometimes comments. I have seen references to sex between adult Iraq males. Of course the reaction of our American milbloggers was varied but always had the bottom line of, its their culture so its not my place to say anything about it one way or the other.
From what I can deduce, the unavailabilty of females for sex is the driving force for this activity. Its not "gay" its just "all that there is".
It has been proven with rats that if there are no females, the male rats try and copulate with each other. So could you could say, that the teachings of Islam are promoting homosexuality?
Or at the very least, substitute sexual activity?
I wonder what the female Iraqi population does for sexual gradification?
Jeez, what a screwed up cult Islam is.
Papa Ray
West Texas
USA
I'm not sure that Papa Ray's assessment is quite accurate: From what I can deduce, the unavailabilty of females for sex is the driving force for this activity.
Yes, animals, such as rats and various monkeys, will engage in same-sex activity in the absence of females. But I'm wondering if homosexuality in Muslim countries is more than just a convenience. Any studies on homosexuality there among men who have wives available? I have my doubts as to any such studies in Muslim countries. Wouldn't it be un-Islamic to admit homosexuality is being practiced?
I agree with you, Mark. Sir Iqbal is just getting started. By targeting homosexuality, he's beginning with a relatively safe topic because many who proclaim their support of gay rights may well have both conscious and unconscious reservations as to the morality of the practice.
Bit by bit, Islam makes its inroads into Western culture. And I fully agree with Papa Ray that Islam fits the definition of a cult.
Come on now, Sir Iqbal! I, along with many other 'infidels,' really wonder if Muslims are in any position to preach to non-Muslims on what is moral and what is not? We have real problems with the barbaric practice of chopping heads off for any offenses commited in the modern world --- even though it was done in the middle ages by savages, with "honor killings" of young women while letting the adulterous men off scot-free, with stoning women to death for adultery, with encouraging young people to become suicide bombers who kill innocent people, with amputation of limbs for theft and with other similar barbaric practices supposedly ordained by Allah and his prophet. What say you, Sir Iqbal?
Paul:
Sodomy has been going on in all countries and all sorts of communities since time immemorial. This is not a phenomenon unique to the West.
The difference between sodomy here and there is this: The 'traumatized' have social services to turn to, whereas in Islamic countries such as Saudi Arabia they do not. They are left to their own resources to deal with their own traumas in secret.
In viewing homosexuality as merely comprising the act of sodomy, aren't we making the same mistake that Muslims make? Surely there's more to homosexuality than the same-sex act of anal intercourse?
There are many people - some put the percentage as high as 10% in any society at a given time - for whom their ideal of 'love' is in a same-sex union. There are said to be many reasons for this: genes, environmental factors, being brought up with too dominant a mother figure, or too dominant a father figure, etc. (The nature versus nurture debate goes on, and probably will go on for a very long time to come.)
Whatever the reason(s) for this phenomenon, homosexuals exist, and they have since the beginning of time. So don't these people have the same right to be able to pursue their own happiness, even if that happiness remains an enigma to the majority, just as the rest of us do?
Would it be acceptaable in this day and age to deny any other minority group the right to pursue their own happiness here in the West, just as these self-same groups are denied that right in Islamic countries? I don't think so.
That there are people for whom same-sex love is normal is surely one of the main reasons why the UK government has now started allowing same-sex unions. Who are we to say that they should be denied this right? Moreover, who are Muslims such as Sir Iqbal Sacranie to say it? We are all mere mortals trying, somehow, to get along. Personally, I am happy to leave the judging to God, just as it says one should in the Bible: Judge not, that thou shalt not be judged also.
Anal intercourse, a practice which I am sure can traumatize people, is not the preserve of homosexual couples, as I am sure you know. It is known to go on in certain heterosexual relationships, too.
Homosexuality will never be eliminated, neither in the West nor in the East. All we can do is learn to live with it (and by God, that has taken a long time!), and make the best of the situation. Sweeping it under the carpet as Muslims do will solve nothing. All that does is create more misery!
This is an interesting thought for you: Arguably there is more homosexuality being practiced in countries such as Saudi Arabia than here in the West. There are a number of very good reasons why this might well be so. They are:
1. Male children are brought up in households with many women - the actual mother, and the 'aunts' who are the other wives of the father in the harem, and the sisters - who are all inclined to dote on the young boy and tend to his every need. This cannot be conducive to heterosexuality.
2. Fathers tend to be very macho and dominant. That, too, can cause children to become gay.
3. The fact that young, frisky males have no attractive women to turn to to relieve their 'emotional energy' also promotes homosexual practices.
4. Then we have the 'forbidden fruits syndrome'. Anything which is so strictly forbidden in society is bound to hold an attraction for some. Look what happens to Muslims when they come to cities like London. As soon as they arrive, they start drinking and gambling and doing all sorts of other things which their strict 'mullocracies' disallow them.
Interestingly, I have seen less 'homosexuality' on the streets in the West than I ever saw on the streets of Saudi Arabia. And that's a fact.
Here's a link to an interesting book on sexuality in Islam, if any of you are interested: Sexuality in Islam
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